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A massive thanks to world famous illusionist and mentalist Banachek for this
interview. I literally had hundreds of questions but managed to get down to my
favourite 10.
8th September 2004
Can you just tell us a quick history of yourself, where was you
born? How you got into magic and illusion etc?
I was born the 30th of November, 1960 in Middlesex, England. My
father and mother divorced that first year. My mom remarried and had two
children. We immigrated to South Africa in 1969. That same year my mom up and
left us. My stepfather became an alcoholic. So we were pretty much abandoned in
the sense of the word. I therefore pretty much raised my two siblings, a year
old and three years old by myself. In 1975 I went to Australia to find my real
father at an air force base. We move to the US in 1976, that did not work out
quite so well so while in high school, I moved out had my own place, three jobs
and finished high school at the same time. During that year I read a book by
James Randi about Uri Geller, "the Truth about Uri Geller!” From this I devised
a few ways to bend nails. Now instead of the embarrassed teenager at the back of
the classroom with a heavy coat on even in the middle of summer and turning red
in the face if the teacher even called on my name. I was the center of attention
and even competing in talent shows and winning. I next put some method together
for bending silverware, they were so successful that other students were
stealing cutlery from the silverware for me to bend, so much so that the
cafeteria went to plastic ware. During that same year I wrote a letter to Randi
explaining if he ever wanted someone to fool scientists, I felt I could do so.
Thus the Alpha Project was born a few years later when the situation presented
itself to us.
Do you have any belief in religion? And how do you think life began on this
planet?
I have a major problem with most organized religion. It is that almost all
religions have the "your wrong we are right" attitude. One that causes war,
famine and death. I think life began through evolution. What caused that
evolution to take place is certainly open to debate.
How the hell do you drive a car while blindfolded? (Guessing you are not
going to tell us)
Very carefully :-)
What kind of satisfaction did you gain out of fooling the scientists at
McDonnell Laboratory for Psychical Research at Washington University in St.
Louis, Missouri, that you had psychic ability, and what do you believe you
accomplished in doing so?
It was not a question of satisfaction. I would have been just as satisfied if
the scientists had used proper protocol, and probably more so. There was certain
dissatisfaction if anything that it was so easy to get away with the techniques
that we did. For decades many parapsychologist had lamented that the reason for
the lack of positive results when it came to series PSI research was due to lack
of funding. It was our contention it had nothing to do with a "lack of funding"
but more so the fact that most parapsychologists went in to the testing with a
pro-biased opinion. It was this pro-biased opinion impeded proper research;
these parapsychologists were too busy documenting their own belief system rather
than doing proper testing. To test properly does not cost that much money. Also
most of these parapsychologists felt that due the fact they held a PhD they
could not be fooled so a second one of our hypothesis going into this was that
they would not seek expert advice in this field to detect any possible trickery
even if it was offered for free (and it was, Randi offered his and others
services for free).
We were able to prove beyond any doubt that their research bias interfered
and also that they would not seek expert advice. Keep in mind this was also in
accordance with the suggestion of a few other parapsychologists who had even
suggested that if Randi and others felt they could fool scientists then they
should try to introduce a magician into a research lab and see what happens.
These scientists believed. No doubt about it. Despite the fact they had
been given a half a million dollars to do the research. Some have suggested it
was unethical for us to do what we did. We took no money for what we did, we
actually lost money In other words, we did not get the half a million dollars as
some would like to think. I would suggest to those who think this way to ask
themselves, is it ethical for scientists to take money for research and then not
perform such research properly? They were paid to do a job they were not doing.
What did we accomplish? If anything, at least scientists will be more
careful when treading in this area, and maybe we have helped stop some of the
ramped cheating that was going on in this area, at least when it comes to
testing.
Derren Brown has been quoted as saying that "Spiritualism was ugly" what are
your opinions on spiritualism?
I agree 100 percent with Derren. At least in the areas of James Van Praag, John
Edward and the others of their ilk. It is very ugly and to me these guys are
scum. They are stopping the proper natural grieving process from taking its
course. Example: I had a friend whose son died of cancer. His wife went to a
spiritualist who was able to convince her that he could communicate to her dead
son. As a result she spent all her time trying to communicate to the kid. She
avoided her husband, neglected her living children to live in the world of the
dead. She almost lost her husband and probably would have lost her living
children. Luckily she came to her senses in the end. This is a dangerous game
these guys play. Yes they may help some people get through it, but in the
majority of times they are hurting not helping in the long run. Heck, I can give
crack to a junkie; it might make him feel good today but is it good for him in
the long run?
Do you believe that genuine psychic ability may one day be proved?
I could not tell you. I really have no opinion either way. And the definition of
what is psychic may indeed change due to the lack of evidence of it existing as
we define it today. All I can say is I have never seen anyone who claims to be
psychic show me conclusive proof they are indeed psychic. This is not to say
they are not, just that it does not stand up under tight scrutiny or is not
repeatable. The times it has been repeatable it has turned out to be a trick,
either by the people themselves on others, by misunderstanding of what was
happening by the people making the claim or by self deception.
Have YOU ever been fooled by someone claiming to be psychic only to find out
later it was a trick?
I can't say I ever have. There have been times I have not cared about the method
simply because it was blatant they were using trickery. For instance, you might
see someone on TV do something; there is no way to explain it because you don't
have all the facts. Of course I can probably think of two or three or more ways
to accomplish the same effect. I understand that just because I can duplicate
does not make it a trick, but after many years of this, when it looks like a
duck, it probably is a duck. The responsibility is upon the person presenting
the unusual claim to show they are real, not the other way around. And most of
these guys and girls stay as far away from any proper testing as is feasible.
Other than yourself, who do you consider as history's greatest
Magician/Illusionist?
Wow, I know you want an answer on this, but this is such a complex question for
such a simple statement. It is kind of like stating, "who is the smartest man in
the world" or "who is the most beautiful women in the world." When it comes to
greatest, there were those who were great showman and terrific at getting
publicity, like Houdini or Criss Angel, then there were those who were terrific at technique,
like Cardini and again those who were terrific at staging like Thurston or
Copperfield. If the question means who has been seen more, definitely
Copperfield or Criss Angel. One TV show and either one has probably had more people see
him than saw many of the old greats in a lifetime. Then there are those that
influence us by their thinking and creativity, for instance, Scarne, Dai Vernon,
Max Maven and so on, certainly these have a position when it comes to greats?
Maybe even more so since their work creeps into the masses and influence our art
more than the showman in many ways? So the answer really cannot be answered in
such a simple way. Each answer would need to be put into context. Probably a
better question to answer is "who is your favorite magic/mental performer of all
time." However, having said that, I could not give a simple answer to that
question as it would be like asking me, "what is your favorite kind of music?"
and that would depend upon my mood at the moment as I have a very eclectic music
collection from Punk, Hard Rock to Easy Listening and Classical.
Is there any trick that you are too scared to perform, or class as too
dangerous?
Having performed the buried alive (probably the most dangerous trick I can think
of) and the bullet catch, I honestly can't say there is any trick I would not
perform. As I get older there maybe some I may not be able to perform to
physical reasons though. I would try to talk anyone out of performing the buried
alive effect and think very serious about performing any dangerous effect. The
real secret to these type of effects is making it look as dangerous as possible
when in reality the effect is very safe and there are many backups for anything
that could go wrong, at some point, what could go wrong will go wrong. Houdini
knew this. Most of the feats were very easy to perform; the real secret was
knowing how to make them look impossible and dangerous and the experience of
knowing what to do if something did go wrong and not to panic.
What do you think of the stunts performed by David Blaine? And would you ever
like to sit in a glass box hanging in London for 44 days?
David Blaine is brilliant. Even you guys are asking me about David Blaine a year
after the stunt. In hindsight, it was probably not the best effect to perform in
Europe when people go on hunger strikes every day out of protest. However, I bet
60 years from now, people will still be talking about the effect and this is the
key to becoming a legend. One always needs to think about the future if wanting
to leave a legacy people will talk and write about. I doubt anyone outside of
Houston and the magic world remembers my buried alive, but they sure remember
David Blaine’s. Would I sit in a box for 44 days in London? Probably not.
Although due to old time stunts and their success it probably sounded like a
great idea at the time. Would I be buried alive for 4 days, I have done that
already.
(Bonus Questions - Added 11/8/04)
Was David Blaine's Above the below stunt magic or endurance?
I think Blaine's stunt was real, don't see why it should not have been.
A while back we had a series about the secrets of magic, where American
magician Valantino exposed the secrets behind many magic tricks. His claim for
this was that it brought magic back into the mainstream and that it helped
increase peoples interest in magic, as well as forcing magicians to create
bigger and better tricks. What are your thoughts on shows like this?
As for the Secrets of Magic. I did not see the European show. I do think these
type of shows are mean spirited. I am not sure how much they hurt magic as much
as the magicians getting so upset about them and increasing the word about them
and also the ratings. I don't think these shows help magic in any way. If one wants to help
magic, do better magic. Criss Angel and David Blaine did more to promote and
create better magic in one show than any amount of revealed shows could ever
attempt.
Revealing secrets is not a way to cause better tricks to be created, this
is a weak argument used by exposers like Valentino to cover the real reason they
did the shows, in his case it to pay off the IRS, in Becker's case it was
because he could not perform breathtaking magic and this was the only way he
could get any attention. I would take a Copperfield, a Derren Brown, a David
Blaine or a Criss Angel and so on any day to promote and cause the creation of better magic.
Revealing old secrets does not promote, better or do anything positive for our
art, it only cheapens it.